(John Lewis) wrote in message ...
On 20 Nov 2003 19:43:16 -0800, (Dark Avenger)
wrote:

Good morning John Lewis,

Hell I like nvidia cards.. and ati cards.

But the 9800 XT or Pro is simply bleeting fast and ... wins in several
occasions of the FX5950 Ultra.

And since many of nvidia drivers have to cheat to get up that level,
it would be fair to say that if ATI would make cheat drivers, lower
rendering precision under DX9 standards, only do brilinear filtering,
Use Prerendered Clipping Frames in benchmarks, then ati cards would
leave the FX series 80 miles in the dust.

Theoraticly if ATI cheated like Nvidia is cheating now, you can expect
atleast 40% higher "performance"

IF both are set in a non-cheating area ... the FX loses... loses
EASILY.

Ya know I hope nvidia comes with good cards again, cards that don't
have to cheat.. use mixed mode... lower precision....and use
prerendered clipping frames.

After all... benchmarks are just benchmarks not.. and GAMES that is
where it gets important. And guess what... the design failure ( weak
vertex/pixel shaders ) is just ONE of the things that will be
extensively used in future games.

So even though games NOW are vigilant enough to use mixed precision or
mixed mode paths thus giving performance to the FX series. There comes
a time where games programmers don't.... and then owning an FX is not
a good plan!

Atleast not if you are a gamer!

And you can call me a troll.. sure.. go ahead.. enjoy your FX card for
all it's worth, they are good cards...with a small design failure.
Once true DX9 games hit the shells though.... and the Nv40 is
there...is nvidia still willingly to build those "optimatilisations"
to run DX9 games good.

I guess that once the nv40 is there... they do everything to forget
the FX period.

And with every month after the Nv40...they do less work on
"optimalisations" for your FX card. How vigilant do you think game
programmers are to keep supporting the "optimalisations" needed.. and
invest time in programming them.

The FX series FORCES programmers of CURRENT games to build a path
especially for the cards. Why...because of a design failure. If the
game runs bad on the costumers 400 Dollar card who do you guess get
the complaints over them... not nvidia... no..the gamedevelopers!

Remember the driver story. 52.16 with very nice 3dmark2003 scores,
3dmark2003 comes with a 340 patch and it craps down on the FX series,
then 52.70 comes and the scores are back again. Looks like a cheat to
me.....Then again...we know nvidia has to cheat to stay in the game.

In current games and upcoming games you can expect the FX series to
have a nice performance, how though the performance will be in the
future...depends on how much time the nvidia driver department wishes
to spend on "optimalisations"