"J. Clarke" wrote in message
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Dragoncarer wrote:


"Olaf" wrote in message
.. .
Are there any?

I bought a new mobo late last year to go with an AMD 4000. I already
had
an X800 Pro, AGP, so I didnt feel like going PCI Express at the time
(and
they were brand new) and having to get a new GFX card.

Well, now I want a 7800 but it seems like they are PCI-X only? Why is
that? Does anyone know if the next gen ATI part will have an AGP
version?
The R520 or whatever it is?

TIA
olaf


At this stage, only the PCI-E (PCI-X refers to an outdated technology,

Tell Intel that it's "outdated". All of their server boards have it.
You're confusing "high end" with "outdated".


Well I was told it was outdated. I was told wrong, evidently.

while most people don't care - I don't - watch out for technodweebs
who'll
crack it, just a friendly warning

You should care, otherwise one of these days you're going to order a PCI-X
something or other and wonder why you can't put it in your PCI Express
slot.


No, I'm not.

) versions of the 7800 line are
available. I haven't heard anything about nVidia releasing AGP versions.

But perhaps with enough customer demand, they may produce some. Start
whingeing to nVidia now!!!

As for ATI, I have no idea. They may manufacture some AGP, it might help
to give them a little bit of a better footing against nVidia.

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Larry Roberts wrote:



You should care, otherwise one of these days you're going to order a PCI-X
something or other and wonder why you can't put it in your PCI Express
slot.


Is PCI-X in production? I did a search for PCI-X, and only
find references to PCI-E. I don't think there are any videocards that
are PCI-X, or any other device for that matter.

Look at server boards, high end SCSI RAID controllers, multiport Ethernet
boards and the like.

It's not a technology that has been used much for video, but it is quite
common in servers.

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Dragoncarer wrote:
Tell Intel that it's "outdated". All of their server boards have it.
You're confusing "high end" with "outdated".



Well I was told it was outdated. I was told wrong, evidently.

Well, it is somewhat outdated in the fact that it will most likely be
superseded by PCI Express in servers. This has already started
happening. However, PCI-X is far from gone.

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Indeed, much like how the latest hard drives require the much faster 300
MB/s of the SATA-II interface. This has as much truth as Aryan propaganda.

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It can therefore be said that politics is war without
bloodshed while war is politics with bloodshed."


"DaveW" wrote in message
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No. The video processing power of the latest cards from Nvidia and ATI
require the much faster speed of the PCI-Express bus. You chose unwisely,
I'm afraid.

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DaveW

"DaveW" wrote in message

No. The video processing power of the latest cards from Nvidia and
ATI require the much faster speed of the PCI-Express bus. You chose
unwisely, I'm afraid.


"Olaf" wrote in message
.. .
Are there any?

I bought a new mobo late last year to go with an AMD 4000. I
already had an X800 Pro, AGP, so I didnt feel like going PCI Express
at the time (and they were brand new) and having to get a new GFX
card. Well, now I want a 7800 but it seems like they are PCI-X only?
Why
is that? Does anyone know if the next gen ATI part will have an AGP
version? The R520 or whatever it is?

TIA
olaf

DaveW, show me some numbers that say PCI Express is more than marginally
faster than AGP 8X (3.0) with any of the current crop of video cards.
You do that, and show me a big enough difference, and I might opt for
PCI Express and nForce4 Ultra over AGP and nForce 3 Ultra for a X2 4800+
McG.

"McGrandpa" wrote in message
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"DaveW" wrote in message

No. The video processing power of the latest cards from Nvidia and
ATI require the much faster speed of the PCI-Express bus. You chose
unwisely, I'm afraid.


"Olaf" wrote in message
.. .
Are there any?

I bought a new mobo late last year to go with an AMD 4000. I
already had an X800 Pro, AGP, so I didnt feel like going PCI Express
at the time (and they were brand new) and having to get a new GFX
card. Well, now I want a 7800 but it seems like they are PCI-X only? Why
is that? Does anyone know if the next gen ATI part will have an AGP
version? The R520 or whatever it is?

TIA
olaf

DaveW, show me some numbers that say PCI Express is more than marginally
faster than AGP 8X (3.0) with any of the current crop of video cards. You
do that, and show me a big enough difference, and I might opt for PCI
Express and nForce4 Ultra over AGP and nForce 3 Ultra for a X2 4800+
McG.

Those were about my thoughts. So I dont understand why nvidia just ditched
AGP. That has to be a large part of the installed market.

olaf

"Olaf" wrote in message

"McGrandpa" wrote in message
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"DaveW" wrote in message

No. The video processing power of the latest cards from Nvidia and
ATI require the much faster speed of the PCI-Express bus. You chose
unwisely, I'm afraid.


"Olaf" wrote in message
.. .
Are there any?

I bought a new mobo late last year to go with an AMD 4000. I
already had an X800 Pro, AGP, so I didnt feel like going PCI
Express at the time (and they were brand new) and having to get a
new GFX
card. Well, now I want a 7800 but it seems like they are PCI-X
only? Why is that? Does anyone know if the next gen ATI part will
have an AGP version? The R520 or whatever it is?

TIA
olaf

DaveW, show me some numbers that say PCI Express is more than
marginally faster than AGP 8X (3.0) with any of the current crop of
video cards. You do that, and show me a big enough difference, and I
might opt for PCI Express and nForce4 Ultra over AGP and nForce 3
Ultra for a X2 4800+ McG.

Those were about my thoughts. So I dont understand why nvidia just
ditched AGP. That has to be a large part of the installed market.

olaf

There is some sort of inherent latency involved with PCI-Express,
there'd have to be, or it WOULD yeild the screaming bandwidth it was
touted to deliver. It simply doesn't at this time. Maybe we simply
don't have things to put IN the slots to use that bandwidth?
McG.

McGrandpa wrote:

"Olaf" wrote in message

"McGrandpa" wrote in message
. ..
"DaveW" wrote in message

No. The video processing power of the latest cards from Nvidia and
ATI require the much faster speed of the PCI-Express bus. You chose
unwisely, I'm afraid.


"Olaf" wrote in message
.. .
Are there any?

I bought a new mobo late last year to go with an AMD 4000. I
already had an X800 Pro, AGP, so I didnt feel like going PCI
Express at the time (and they were brand new) and having to get a
new GFX
card. Well, now I want a 7800 but it seems like they are PCI-X
only? Why is that? Does anyone know if the next gen ATI part will
have an AGP version? The R520 or whatever it is?

TIA
olaf

DaveW, show me some numbers that say PCI Express is more than
marginally faster than AGP 8X (3.0) with any of the current crop of
video cards. You do that, and show me a big enough difference, and I
might opt for PCI Express and nForce4 Ultra over AGP and nForce 3
Ultra for a X2 4800+ McG.

Those were about my thoughts. So I dont understand why nvidia just
ditched AGP. That has to be a large part of the installed market.

olaf

There is some sort of inherent latency involved with PCI-Express,
there'd have to be, or it WOULD yeild the screaming bandwidth it was
touted to deliver. It simply doesn't at this time. Maybe we simply
don't have things to put IN the slots to use that bandwidth?

It does deliver the "screaming bandwidth". The thing is, so far nobody has
been able to demonstrate more than a percent or two difference between AGP
4x and AGP 8x, let alone PCI Express, because nothing exists that can even
fill an AGP 4x pipe more than momentarily. It's kind of like SATAII--it
delivers its 300 MB/sec of bandwidth but there is no drive on the market
that can move bits off of the platter at even 133 so that bandwidth is not
very useful.

Nvidia has ditched AGP because they accept that Intel has won that battle.

McG.

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ATi once mentioned that 90% of its high-end cards go to system builders like
Alienware and Dell, all of which ship PCIe systems. The same is probably
true of nVidia.

It comes down to demand and supply. If nVidia's card-makers are selling
every PCIe-based 7800 card they can produce, there is no incentive to make a
more expensive AGP version just for upgraders. The retail market is subject
to large fluctuations (it's what killed 3dfx), so it represents extra risk.

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It can therefore be said that politics is war without
bloodshed while war is politics with bloodshed."


"Olaf" wrote in message
.. .
Those were about my thoughts. So I dont understand why nvidia just
ditched AGP. That has to be a large part of the installed market.

olaf

Only for SLI putz. AGP 8X has more bandwidth than ANY current GPU can use
up. Fool.

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"DaveW" wrote in message
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No. The video processing power of the latest cards from Nvidia and ATI
require the much faster speed of the PCI-Express bus. You chose unwisely,
I'm afraid.

--
DaveW



"Olaf" wrote in message
.. .
Are there any?

I bought a new mobo late last year to go with an AMD 4000. I already had
an X800 Pro, AGP, so I didnt feel like going PCI Express at the time (and
they were brand new) and having to get a new GFX card.

Well, now I want a 7800 but it seems like they are PCI-X only? Why is
that? Does anyone know if the next gen ATI part will have an AGP version?
The R520 or whatever it is?

TIA
olaf