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Ultra DMA
I have three HDs in my computer ASUS P4C800-E Deluxe. All Seagate 120GB HD0 + HD1 8MB cache and HD2 have 2MB cache. Two (HD0 + HD1 8MB cache) connected to first IDE-port (Intel) with cable select. The third (HD2 2MB cache) connected to the Promise controller also with cable select. The "problem" is that the two disks connected to the Intel controller only use Ultra DMA-2 and the third connected to the Promise controller use Ultra DMA-5 ! That is what DTemp report from S.M.A.R.T. Se details here http://w1.857.telia.com/~u85704001/dma/ How to change to Ultra DMA-5 for my first two drives? I use Windows 2000 professional. |
On Sat, 30 Oct 2004 15:51:47 +0200 There I was minding my own business
and then Ken wrote : I have three HDs in my computer ASUS P4C800-E Deluxe. All Seagate 120GB HD0 + HD1 8MB cache and HD2 have 2MB cache. Two (HD0 + HD1 8MB cache) connected to first IDE-port (Intel) with cable select. The third (HD2 2MB cache) connected to the Promise controller also with cable select. The "problem" is that the two disks connected to the Intel controller only use Ultra DMA-2 and the third connected to the Promise controller use Ultra DMA-5 ! That is what DTemp report from S.M.A.R.T. Se details here http://w1.857.telia.com/~u85704001/dma/ How to change to Ultra DMA-5 for my first two drives? I use Windows 2000 professional. Can you change their DMA in the Device Manager? -- Free Windows/PC help, http://www.geocities.com/sheppola/trouble.html remove obvious to reply Free original songs to download and,"BURN" :O) http://www.soundclick.com/bands/8/nomessiahsmusic.htm |
On Sat, 30 Oct 2004 15:31:25 +0100, Shep© wrote:
I have three HDs in my computer ASUS P4C800-E Deluxe. All Seagate 120GB HD0 + HD1 8MB cache and HD2 have 2MB cache. Two (HD0 + HD1 8MB cache) connected to first IDE-port (Intel) with cable select. The third (HD2 2MB cache) connected to the Promise controller also with cable select. The "problem" is that the two disks connected to the Intel controller only use Ultra DMA-2 and the third connected to the Promise controller use Ultra DMA-5 ! That is what DTemp report from S.M.A.R.T. Se details here http://w1.857.telia.com/~u85704001/dma/ How to change to Ultra DMA-5 for my first two drives? I use Windows 2000 professional. Can you change their DMA in the Device Manager? I can change between PIO or Ultra DMA, but not the level of DMA. Maybe I don't know where or how to change DMA level (0-5). Here image from Device Manager Swedish version :-) http://w1.857.telia.com/~u85704001/dma/ |
If the asus mb is only mode 4 capable and you use mode 5 drives then it may
be defaulting to the lower mode 2 in this case you need the hard drive utility from seagate to let you report the mode 5 drives as mode 4 to the bios! if it IS the case that your mb IS mode 5 capapble then the utility still might solve the problem "Ken" wrote in message ... I have three HDs in my computer ASUS P4C800-E Deluxe. All Seagate 120GB HD0 + HD1 8MB cache and HD2 have 2MB cache. Two (HD0 + HD1 8MB cache) connected to first IDE-port (Intel) with cable select. The third (HD2 2MB cache) connected to the Promise controller also with cable select. The "problem" is that the two disks connected to the Intel controller only use Ultra DMA-2 and the third connected to the Promise controller use Ultra DMA-5 ! That is what DTemp report from S.M.A.R.T. Se details here http://w1.857.telia.com/~u85704001/dma/ How to change to Ultra DMA-5 for my first two drives? I use Windows 2000 professional. |
Just thought of something else
You ARE using 80 wire ide cables arent you? 40 wire cables will only allow you to run at ata33 (mode 2) "Ken" wrote in message ... I have three HDs in my computer ASUS P4C800-E Deluxe. All Seagate 120GB HD0 + HD1 8MB cache and HD2 have 2MB cache. Two (HD0 + HD1 8MB cache) connected to first IDE-port (Intel) with cable select. The third (HD2 2MB cache) connected to the Promise controller also with cable select. The "problem" is that the two disks connected to the Intel controller only use Ultra DMA-2 and the third connected to the Promise controller use Ultra DMA-5 ! That is what DTemp report from S.M.A.R.T. Se details here http://w1.857.telia.com/~u85704001/dma/ How to change to Ultra DMA-5 for my first two drives? I use Windows 2000 professional. |
On Sat, 30 Oct 2004 15:36:57 +0000 (UTC), "Lazarus"
wrote: Just thought of something else You ARE using 80 wire ide cables arent you? Yes. I even tried the working cable from my disk that are in UDMA 5 mode now. I'm going to interhange the disks and try every combibnations. |
On Sat, 30 Oct 2004 17:53:21 +0200, Ken wrote:
Just thought of something else You ARE using 80 wire ide cables arent you? Yes. I even tried the working cable from my disk that are in UDMA 5 mode now. I'm going to interchange the disks and try every combinations. Now it's done. All 3 disk and both cables can do UDMA 5. The problem is in the software or the primary IDE port. I don't know where to search. |
http://www.seagate.com/support/disc/...s/discwiz.html
"Ken" wrote in message ... On Sat, 30 Oct 2004 17:53:21 +0200, Ken wrote: Just thought of something else You ARE using 80 wire ide cables arent you? Yes. I even tried the working cable from my disk that are in UDMA 5 mode now. I'm going to interchange the disks and try every combinations. Now it's done. All 3 disk and both cables can do UDMA 5. The problem is in the software or the primary IDE port. I don't know where to search. |
On Sat, 30 Oct 2004 17:54:14 +0000 (UTC), "Lazarus"
wrote: Just thought of something else You ARE using 80 wire ide cables arent you? Yes. I even tried the working cable from my disk that are in UDMA 5 mode now. I'm going to interchange the disks and try every combinations. Now it's done. All 3 disk and both cables can do UDMA 5. The problem is in the software or the primary IDE port. I don't know where to search. http://www.seagate.com/support/disc/...s/discwiz.html It's an installation for drives and does not seems work only for change from UDMA 2 to UDMA 5 on an existing working drive. |
In BIOS, try changing the mode from enhanced to compatible for your IDE
devices. "Ken" wrote in message ... On Sat, 30 Oct 2004 17:54:14 +0000 (UTC), "Lazarus" wrote: Just thought of something else You ARE using 80 wire ide cables arent you? Yes. I even tried the working cable from my disk that are in UDMA 5 mode now. I'm going to interchange the disks and try every combinations. Now it's done. All 3 disk and both cables can do UDMA 5. The problem is in the software or the primary IDE port. I don't know where to search. http://www.seagate.com/support/disc/...s/discwiz.html It's an installation for drives and does not seems work only for change from UDMA 2 to UDMA 5 on an existing working drive. |
WD DLG which is WD's diagnostic. You might have to change
the firmware to the UDMA that matches your ports. Use the bootable floppy from WD. "Ken" wrote in message ... | | I have three HDs in my computer ASUS P4C800-E Deluxe. | All Seagate 120GB HD0 + HD1 8MB cache and HD2 have 2MB cache. | Two (HD0 + HD1 8MB cache) connected to first IDE-port (Intel) | with cable select. The third (HD2 2MB cache) connected to the | Promise controller also with cable select. | The "problem" is that the two disks connected to the Intel | controller only use Ultra DMA-2 and the third connected | to the Promise controller use Ultra DMA-5 ! | That is what DTemp report from S.M.A.R.T. | Se details here | http://w1.857.telia.com/~u85704001/dma/ | | How to change to Ultra DMA-5 for my first two drives? | I use Windows 2000 professional. | |
On Sat, 30 Oct 2004 18:57:01 +0200, Ken wrote:
Now it's done. All 3 disk and both cables can do UDMA 5. The problem is in the software or the primary IDE port. I don't know where to search. To compare with others you can go to my site under comp/bench & there you have also Sandra2001pro (stripped) DL to bench your HD setup to get that index (you can see my bench of my old drive there too). Than TELL me here the result in points you have got; I am very interested in this result ; please do it for me .. :-) Thanks! (do that w/o any background applications running if possible)... If all 3 HDs are same capacity & RPMs what are index bench results; just curious to see real life differences between UDMA modes on those 3 HDs ... -- Regards, SPAJKY ® & visit my site @ http://www.spajky.vze.com "Tualatin OC-ed / BX-Slot1 / inaudible setup!" E-mail AntiSpam: remove ## |
"Ken" wrote in message
... On Sat, 30 Oct 2004 17:54:14 +0000 (UTC), "Lazarus" wrote: Just thought of something else You ARE using 80 wire ide cables arent you? Yes. I even tried the working cable from my disk that are in UDMA 5 mode now. I'm going to interchange the disks and try every combinations. Now it's done. All 3 disk and both cables can do UDMA 5. The problem is in the software or the primary IDE port. I don't know where to search. http://www.seagate.com/support/disc/...s/discwiz.html It's an installation for drives and does not seems work only for change from UDMA 2 to UDMA 5 on an existing working drive. Isnt that what you want to do? Change your mode 2 drives to mode 5? I thought your 2 drives were working and it was just the fact that they were in mode 2 and you wanted them in mode 5? |
On Sun, 31 Oct 2004 01:37:51 +0200, Spajky wrote:
On Sat, 30 Oct 2004 18:57:01 +0200, Ken wrote: Now it's done. All 3 disk and both cables can do UDMA 5. The problem is in the software or the primary IDE port. I don't know where to search. To compare with others you can go to my site under comp/bench & there you have also Sandra2001pro (stripped) DL to bench your HD setup to get that index (you can see my bench of my old drive there too). Than TELL me here the result in points you have got; I am very interested in this result ; please do it for me .. :-) Thanks! (do that w/o any background applications running if possible)... Buffered read and write are a lot faster on the Promise controller! The 8 MB cache make the drive a little faster. If all 3 HDs are same capacity & RPMs what are index bench results; just curious to see real life differences between UDMA modes on those 3 HDs ... Yes all 3 drives are this: HD1 Seagate Barracuda V 7200rpm, 120GB, 8MB cache. HD2 Seagate Barracuda V 7200rpm, 120GB, 8MB cache. HD3 Seagate Barracuda V 7200rpm, 120GB, 2MB cache. ------------------------------- The first results is like this: IDE master IDE slave IDE (one drive present) Intel ICH5R Intel ICH5R Promise 378 HD1 8MB HD2 8MB HD3 2MB 30 MB/s 30 MB/s 1200 MB/s Buffered read 27 MB/s 29 MB/s 36 MB/s Sequential read 5 MB/s 7 MB/s 6 MB/s Random read 30 MB/s 30 MB/s 1240 MB/s Buffered write 29 MB/s 29 MB/s 35 MB/s Sequential write 8 MB/s 7 MB/s 8 MB/s Random write 9 ms 8 ms 9 ms Average access time ------------------------------- When swap HD2 and HD3: IDE master IDE slave IDE (one drive present) Intel ICH5R Intel ICH5R Promise 378 HD1 8MB HD3 2MB HD2 8MB 30 MB/s 30 MB/s 1550 MB/s Buffered read 27 MB/s 28 MB/s 38 MB/s Sequential read 5 MB/s 6 MB/s 7 MB/s Random read 30 MB/s 30 MB/s 1740 MB/s Buffered write 29 MB/s 29 MB/s 37 MB/s Sequential write 8 MB/s 7 MB/s 8 MB/s Random write 9 ms 9 ms 8 ms Average access time I made 2 test runs on every combination. There was minor differences. ------------------------- My computer: ASUS P4C800-E Deluxe Intel Pentium 4 Northwood 3.2 GHz 1024 MB ECC memory (2x512) |
On Sun, 31 Oct 2004 01:37:51 +0200, Spajky wrote:
On Sat, 30 Oct 2004 18:57:01 +0200, Ken wrote: Now it's done. All 3 disk and both cables can do UDMA 5. The problem is in the software or the primary IDE port. I don't know where to search. To compare with others you can go to my site under comp/bench & there you have also Sandra2001pro (stripped) DL to bench your HD setup to get that index (you can see my bench of my old drive there too). Than TELL me here the result in points you have got; I am very interested in this result ; please do it for me .. :-) Thanks! (do that w/o any background applications running if possible)... Buffered read and write are a lot faster on the Promise controller! The 8 MB cache make the drive a little faster. If all 3 HDs are same capacity & RPMs what are index bench results; just curious to see real life differences between UDMA modes on those 3 HDs ... Yes all 3 drives are this: HD1 Seagate Barracuda V 7200rpm, 120GB, 8MB cache. HD2 Seagate Barracuda V 7200rpm, 120GB, 8MB cache. HD3 Seagate Barracuda V 7200rpm, 120GB, 2MB cache. ------------------------------- The first results is like this: IDE master IDE slave IDE (one drive present) Intel ICH5R Intel ICH5R Promise 378 HD1 8MB HD2 8MB HD3 2MB 30 MB/s 30 MB/s 1200 MB/s Buffered read 27 MB/s 29 MB/s 36 MB/s Sequential read 5 MB/s 7 MB/s 6 MB/s Random read 30 MB/s 30 MB/s 1240 MB/s Buffered write 29 MB/s 29 MB/s 35 MB/s Sequential write 8 MB/s 7 MB/s 8 MB/s Random write 9 ms 8 ms 9 ms Average access time ------------------------------- When swap HD2 and HD3: IDE master IDE slave IDE (one drive present) Intel ICH5R Intel ICH5R Promise 378 HD1 8MB HD3 2MB HD2 8MB 30 MB/s 30 MB/s 1550 MB/s Buffered read 27 MB/s 28 MB/s 38 MB/s Sequential read 5 MB/s 6 MB/s 7 MB/s Random read 30 MB/s 30 MB/s 1740 MB/s Buffered write 29 MB/s 29 MB/s 37 MB/s Sequential write 8 MB/s 7 MB/s 8 MB/s Random write 9 ms 9 ms 8 ms Average access time I made 2 test runs on every combination. There was minor differences. ------------------------- My computer: ASUS P4C800-E Deluxe Intel Pentium 4 Northwood 3.2 GHz 1024 MB ECC memory (2x512) |
On Sun, 31 Oct 2004 12:39:54 +0000 (UTC), "Lazarus"
wrote: http://www.seagate.com/support/disc/...s/discwiz.html It's an installation for drives and does not seems work only for change from UDMA 2 to UDMA 5 on an existing working drive. Isnt that what you want to do? Change your mode 2 drives to mode 5? I thought your 2 drives were working and it was just the fact that they were in mode 2 and you wanted them in mode 5? Yes, but that program from Seagate can't do that. |
On Sun, 31 Oct 2004 13:50:27 +0100, Ken wrote:
To compare with others you can go to my site under comp/bench & there you have also Sandra2001pro (stripped) DL to bench your HD setup to get that index (you can see my bench of my old drive there too). Than TELL me here the result in points you have got; I am very interested in this result ; please do it for me .. :-) Thanks! (do that w/o any background applications running if possible)... Yes all 3 drives are this: HD1 Seagate Barracuda V 7200rpm, 120GB, 8MB cache. HD2 Seagate Barracuda V 7200rpm, 120GB, 8MB cache. HD3 Seagate Barracuda V 7200rpm, 120GB, 2MB cache. what about that mine sandra version drive index? Thanks! -- Regards, SPAJKY ® & visit my site @ http://www.spajky.vze.com "Tualatin OC-ed / BX-Slot1 / inaudible setup!" E-mail AntiSpam: remove ## |
When I make changes in BIOS to "comatibility mode" the Intel ICH5R change to Ultra DMA 5 for Primary IDE ! (but then the secondary IDE don't work and my CD unit is unusable) I think all this this is att BIOS problem. New tests: All 3 drives are this: HD1 Seagate Barracuda V 7200rpm, 120GB, 8MB cache. HD2 Seagate Barracuda V 7200rpm, 120GB, 8MB cache. HD3 Seagate Barracuda V 7200rpm, 120GB, 2MB cache. ------------------------------- The results is like this with UDMA5 on all ports. Primary Primary Extra IDE port IDE master IDE slave IDE (one drive present) Intel ICH5R Intel ICH5R Promise 378 HD1 8MB HD2 8MB HD3 2MB 84 MB/s 82 MB/s 1633 MB/s Buffered read 37 MB/s 37 MB/s 36 MB/s Sequential read 6 MB/s 7 MB/s 6 MB/s Random read 72 MB/s 73 MB/s 1699 MB/s Buffered write 37 MB/s 37 MB/s 35 MB/s Sequential write 8 MB/s 7 MB/s 8 MB/s Random write 9 ms 8 ms 9 ms Average access time ------------------------------- When swap HD2 and HD3: Primary Primary Extra IDE port IDE master IDE slave IDE (one drive present) Intel ICH5R Intel ICH5R Promise 378 HD1 8MB HD3 2MB HD2 8MB 84 MB/s 75 MB/s 1762 MB/s Buffered read 37 MB/s 36 MB/s 38 MB/s Sequential read 6 MB/s 6 MB/s 7 MB/s Random read 72 MB/s 66 MB/s 1636 MB/s Buffered write 37 MB/s 36 MB/s 37 MB/s Sequential write 8 MB/s 6 MB/s 8 MB/s Random write 9 ms 9 ms 8 ms Average access time ------------------------- My computer: ASUS P4C800-E Deluxe Intel Pentium 4 Northwood 3.2 GHz 1024 MB ECC memory (2x512) The Promise controller are on the motherboard. BIOS version 1016 |
On Sun, 31 Oct 2004 01:37:51 +0200, Spajky wrote:
If all 3 HDs are same capacity & RPMs what are index bench results; just curious to see real life differences between UDMA modes on those 3 HDs ... There is differences. |
On Sun, 31 Oct 2004 14:16:36 +0100, Spajky wrote:
To compare with others you can go to my site under comp/bench & there you have also Sandra2001pro (stripped) DL to bench your HD setup to get that index (you can see my bench of my old drive there too). Than TELL me here the result in points you have got; I am very interested in this result ; please do it for me .. :-) Thanks! (do that w/o any background applications running if possible)... Yes all 3 drives are this: HD1 Seagate Barracuda V 7200rpm, 120GB, 8MB cache. HD2 Seagate Barracuda V 7200rpm, 120GB, 8MB cache. HD3 Seagate Barracuda V 7200rpm, 120GB, 2MB cache. what about that mine sandra version drive index? Thanks! Forgotten. ------------------------------- The results is like this with UDMA5 on all ports. Primary Primary Extra IDE port IDE master IDE slave IDE (one drive present) Intel ICH5R Intel ICH5R Promise 378 HD1 8MB HD2 8MB HD3 2MB 25467 25659 24548 Index ------------------------------- When swap HD2 and HD3: Primary Primary Extra IDE port IDE master IDE slave IDE (one drive present) Intel ICH5R Intel ICH5R Promise 378 HD1 8MB HD3 2MB HD2 8MB 25467 24484 25840 Index |
are you 100% sure that the ide cable is connected with the blue end in the
m/board? few have found that if it's the wrong way then the attached drives run in udma2. cheers "Frank" wrote in message ... WD DLG which is WD's diagnostic. You might have to change the firmware to the UDMA that matches your ports. Use the bootable floppy from WD. "Ken" wrote in message ... | | I have three HDs in my computer ASUS P4C800-E Deluxe. | All Seagate 120GB HD0 + HD1 8MB cache and HD2 have 2MB cache. | Two (HD0 + HD1 8MB cache) connected to first IDE-port (Intel) | with cable select. The third (HD2 2MB cache) connected to the | Promise controller also with cable select. | The "problem" is that the two disks connected to the Intel | controller only use Ultra DMA-2 and the third connected | to the Promise controller use Ultra DMA-5 ! | That is what DTemp report from S.M.A.R.T. | Se details here | http://w1.857.telia.com/~u85704001/dma/ | | How to change to Ultra DMA-5 for my first two drives? | I use Windows 2000 professional. | |
On Sun, 31 Oct 2004 16:29:08 -0000, "Ayoub" wrote:
are you 100% sure that the ide cable is connected with the blue end in the m/board? Yes. few have found that if it's the wrong way then the attached drives run in udma2. cheers If I change to "compatibility mode" in BIOS it work with UDMA5 for my both drives on the primary IDE channel, but then my CD player on secondary IDE channel disappear. I think this is a problem in BIOS. I'm going to flash a newer BIOS version some day. |
Ken If you are using the ide controller from Intel, try to remove it and
install the standard ide controller provided from M$. See if that has any effect. Regards, Bob Troll |
On Mon, 01 Nov 2004 19:58:06 GMT, "Bob Troll"
wrote: Ken If you are using the ide controller from Intel, try to remove it and install the standard ide controller provided from M$. See if that has any effect. Thanks. I would try every tips (but it would take time). |
On Tue, 02 Nov 2004 10:38:48 +0100, Ken wrote:
On Mon, 01 Nov 2004 19:58:06 GMT, "Bob Troll" wrote: Ken If you are using the ide controller from Intel, try to remove it and install the standard ide controller provided from M$. See if that has any effect. Thanks. I would try every tips (but it would take time). If u have more than 1 device per ide channel u cant have dma 5. Its as simple as that. Ide is restricted in many ways, but its cheap. I can only guess that another controller might help you best here. Anything else is just a waste of time. Tom |
On Tue, 02 Nov 2004 12:30:46 +0100, tom wrote:
Ken If you are using the ide controller from Intel, try to remove it and install the standard ide controller provided from M$. See if that has any effect. Thanks. I would try every tips (but it would take time). If u have more than 1 device per ide channel u cant have dma 5. Its as simple as that. I don't think that's right. Yes I have 2 identical devices on the same IDE cable. With only 1 device I also only get UDMA2. If I configure BIOS for "compatibility mode" i got UDMA5 with both devices connected, how do you explain that? UDMA5 with 2 hard disk on the same cable works! Ide is restricted in many ways, but its cheap. I can only guess that another controller might help you best here. Anything else is just a waste of time. No I don't think so. I have some BIOS problem or driver problem with my old Windows 2000. |
Howdy!
"tom" wrote in message ... On Tue, 02 Nov 2004 10:38:48 +0100, Ken wrote: On Mon, 01 Nov 2004 19:58:06 GMT, "Bob Troll" wrote: Ken If you are using the ide controller from Intel, try to remove it and install the standard ide controller provided from M$. See if that has any effect. Thanks. I would try every tips (but it would take time). If u have more than 1 device per ide channel u cant have dma 5. Mmm? Please explain how I've got two UDMA 5 devices on my primary IDE port now, then? IOW - Err, no, you're wrong. Its as simple as that. Ide is restricted in many ways, but its cheap. I can only guess that another controller might help you best here. Anything else is just a waste of time. Listening to someone who has no idea what they're talking about is a waste of time. RwP |
On Tue, 09 Nov 2004 11:00:13 +0000, Dr Teeth
wrote: Ken If you are using the ide controller from Intel, try to remove it and install the standard ide controller provided from M$. See if that has any effect. If UDMA5 = DMA 133 it won't work as the MS driver does not support that mode. It works if I use "compatibility mode" in BIOS and therefore the driver would be OK. (I wait i while to flash to new BIOS) http://www.bay-wolf.com/harddrive.htm Ultra DMA Mode 6 133 MB/s Ultra DMA Mode 5 100 MB/s Ultra DMA Mode 4 66 MB/s Ultra DMA Mode 3 44 MB/s Ultra DMA Mode 2 33 MB/s Ultra DMA Mode 1 25 MB/s Ultra DMA Mode 0 16 MB/s |
Dr Teeth wrote:
On Mon, 01 Nov 2004 19:58:06 GMT, "Bob Troll" wrote: Ken If you are using the ide controller from Intel, try to remove it and install the standard ide controller provided from M$. See if that has any effect. If UDMA5 = DMA 133 it won't work as the MS driver does not support that mode. UDMA5 = ATA100 UDMA6 = ATA133 Cheers, Guy "If you want to find out what is wrong with democracy, spend five minutes with the average voter." - Winston Churchill -- spammage trappage: replace fishies_ with yahoo I'm going to die rather sooner than I'd like. I tried to protect my neighbours from crime, and became the victim of it. To jump to the end of the story, as a result of this I need a bone marrow transplant. Many people around the world are waiting for a marrow transplant, too. Please volunteer to be a marrow donor: http://www.abmdr.org.au/ http://www.marrow.org/ |
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