Question on lighting to photograph terrarium

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I'm running a webcam to watch my terrarium, but I'm having a heck of a time
with lighting.

Presently, I am using ambient room light+blacklight above the terrarium.
This results in reflections visible in the glass of the terrarium, meaning
you can actually see the reflection of the camera tripod in the picture.

I've tried lighting above the tank, but it tends to "flare" at the top.

Can anyone give advice in regards to positioning, and relative brightness?

-The cam can be viewed at www.mantiscam.com

-I am using a fairly high quality webcam - the 3com Homeconnect.

-Terrarium is presently humidifying, so ignore the fog for now.


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[Basilic]

A trick in photography to reduce reflection is to use hair spray on the
glass which would matt the glass a bit.

Shouldn't the terrarium have a daylight neon to aid with the photosynthesis
of the plants, lizards, snakes, etc? That way you'll be illuminating the
interior, so no need for external lighting.

I see you already have the blacklight on, and it is a bit foggy, but the
leaves in the foregroung seem quite clear.


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> I'm running a webcam to watch my terrarium, but I'm having a heck of a
time
> with lighting.
>
> Presently, I am using ambient room light+blacklight above the terrarium.
> This results in reflections visible in the glass of the terrarium, meaning
> you can actually see the reflection of the camera tripod in the picture.
>
> I've tried lighting above the tank, but it tends to "flare" at the top.
>
> Can anyone give advice in regards to positioning, and relative brightness?
>
> -The cam can be viewed at www.mantiscam.com
>
> -I am using a fairly high quality webcam - the 3com Homeconnect.
>
> -Terrarium is presently humidifying, so ignore the fog for now.
>
>
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> "We must use terror, assassination, intimidation, land confiscation, and
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> cutting of all social services to rid the Galilee of its Arab
population."
>
> -Joseph Weitz, head of the Jewish Agency's Colonization
Department.
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In calgary.general Basilic > wrote:
> A trick in photography to reduce reflection is to use hair spray on the
> glass which would matt the glass a bit.

Neat idea... will try.

> Shouldn't the terrarium have a daylight neon to aid with the photosynthesis
> of the plants, lizards, snakes, etc? That way you'll be illuminating the
> interior, so no need for external lighting.

There's no live plants... Praying Mantids, which this cage is build for,
don't need live plants, and don't like harsh direct light - Mainly they just
need stuff to climb on, and a lot of heat and humidity. Any lights I have
added tend to create a "flare" effect at the top of the frame.

> I see you already have the blacklight on, and it is a bit foggy, but the
> leaves in the foregroung seem quite clear.

Fogging should be done within the hour. Can you see all of the
distortions, though, including veritical lines, and the camera tripod?






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[Velvet]

Basilic wrote:

> A trick in photography to reduce reflection is to use hair spray on the
> glass which would matt the glass a bit.
>
> Shouldn't the terrarium have a daylight neon to aid with the photosynthesis
> of the plants, lizards, snakes, etc? That way you'll be illuminating the
> interior, so no need for external lighting.
>
> I see you already have the blacklight on, and it is a bit foggy, but the
> leaves in the foregroung seem quite clear.
>
>
I'd tend to agree - daylight wavelengths will help plants grow (and
surely be healthier for the inhabitants too) - though obviously couldn't
be used at night. Lighting the inside of the tank rather than the
outside is the way to get rid of the reflections though - that, or (if
you have clear sides) put light in from the front/sides?

Velvet

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In calgary.general Velvet > wrote:

> be used at night. Lighting the inside of the tank rather than the
> outside is the way to get rid of the reflections though - that, or (if

This is the crux: When I do this, I tend to get "Flares" at the top of my
frame, and glaring reflection off some leaves. How can I avoid this?

Is internal light my solution, or is it a matter or orientation?




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[Velvet]

wrote:

> In calgary.general Velvet > wrote:
>
>
>>be used at night. Lighting the inside of the tank rather than the
>>outside is the way to get rid of the reflections though - that, or (if
>
>
> This is the crux: When I do this, I tend to get "Flares" at the top of my
> frame, and glaring reflection off some leaves. How can I avoid this?
>
> Is internal light my solution, or is it a matter or orientation?
>
>
>
>

I meant internal lighting, yes.

Failing that, try aiming the light at an angle to the glass, then moving
the camera around at an angle also. Try draping black cloth (velvet is
very good for this) over the tripod legs so they're not reflective.

Velvet

[BigC]

On Tue, 28 Oct 2003 20:23:13 GMT,
wrote:

>I'm running a webcam to watch my terrarium, but I'm having a heck of a time
>with lighting.
>
>Presently, I am using ambient room light+blacklight above the terrarium.
>This results in reflections visible in the glass of the terrarium, meaning
>you can actually see the reflection of the camera tripod in the picture.
>
>I've tried lighting above the tank, but it tends to "flare" at the top.
>
>Can anyone give advice in regards to positioning, and relative brightness?
>
>-The cam can be viewed at www.mantiscam.com
>
>-I am using a fairly high quality webcam - the 3com Homeconnect.
>
>-Terrarium is presently humidifying, so ignore the fog for now.

heh, not much of a mantis cam without any mantids.

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In calgary.general MisNomer > wrote:
> Polarizing filter?

What is that?




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In calgary.general BigC > wrote:

> heh, not much of a mantis cam without any mantids.

I have two suppliers, both of which were sure a month ago that they
were getting them right away... Both figure it could be any time now.

The suspense is frustrating!

Nonetheless, the wait has been good, in that it's given me time to fine-tune
the environment, and determine better ways to maintain the appropriate
heat/humidity.


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[BigC]

On Tue, 28 Oct 2003 23:12:53 GMT,
wrote:

>In calgary.general BigC > wrote:
>
>> heh, not much of a mantis cam without any mantids.
>
>I have two suppliers, both of which were sure a month ago that they
>were getting them right away... Both figure it could be any time now.
>
>The suspense is frustrating!
>
>Nonetheless, the wait has been good, in that it's given me time to fine-tune
>the environment, and determine better ways to maintain the appropriate
>heat/humidity.

What do you feed those suckers? That sounds pretty cool actually. I
have an empty tank but I don't feel like getting fish again.

I used to have some Hermit Crabs and then a couple of Madagascar
Hissing Coackroaches (just like on Fear Factor)

[Jon Pike]

BigC > wrote in
:

> On Tue, 28 Oct 2003 23:12:53 GMT,
> wrote:
>
>>In calgary.general BigC > wrote:
>>
>>> heh, not much of a mantis cam without any mantids.
>>
>>I have two suppliers, both of which were sure a month ago that they
>>were getting them right away... Both figure it could be any time
>>now.
>>
>>The suspense is frustrating!
>>
>>Nonetheless, the wait has been good, in that it's given me time to
>>fine-tune the environment, and determine better ways to maintain the
>>appropriate heat/humidity.
>
> What do you feed those suckers? That sounds pretty cool actually. I
> have an empty tank but I don't feel like getting fish again.
>
> I used to have some Hermit Crabs and then a couple of Madagascar
> Hissing Coackroaches (just like on Fear Factor)

If you have an empty tank, I wouldn't mind taking it off your hands, email
me and lemme know :)

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> In calgary.general MisNomer > wrote:
>> Polarizing filter?
>
> What is that?

Something that's -very- difficult to use in conjunction with a webcam :P
They're usually good at getting rid of reflections however; cost about 30$.

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> I'm running a webcam to watch my terrarium, but I'm having a heck of a
> time with lighting.
>
> Presently, I am using ambient room light+blacklight above the
> terrarium. This results in reflections visible in the glass of the
> terrarium, meaning you can actually see the reflection of the camera
> tripod in the picture.
>
> I've tried lighting above the tank, but it tends to "flare" at the
> top.
>
> Can anyone give advice in regards to positioning, and relative
> brightness?
>
> -The cam can be viewed at www.mantiscam.com
>
> -I am using a fairly high quality webcam - the 3com Homeconnect.
>
> -Terrarium is presently humidifying, so ignore the fog for now.

Well, I'd give some ideas, but right now it's practically pitch black.
6:47pm. When it's up, give me a shout on msn and I'll help you figure it
out. Photographing terrariums and aquariums is a specialty of mine.

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In calgary.general BigC > wrote:

> What do you feed those suckers? That sounds pretty cool actually. I
> have an empty tank but I don't feel like getting fish again.

Ideally, a variety of insects 1/3 your mantis' size, but in the winter
you're pretty well limited to crickets and the occasional mealworm/silkworm.

I was hoping to get a single mantid, but it appears my only choice may be to
get an egg-sac. If you want a mantid, I may very well have some to spare in
the coming weeks.


> I used to have some Hermit Crabs and then a couple of Madagascar
> Hissing Coackroaches (just like on Fear Factor)

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In calgary.general Jon Pike > wrote:

> Well, I'd give some ideas, but right now it's practically pitch black.
> 6:47pm. When it's up, give me a shout on msn and I'll help you figure it
> out. Photographing terrariums and aquariums is a specialty of mine.

Cool. Take a look tomorrow during daylight - the picture is updated every
minute.


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> I'm running a webcam to watch my terrarium, but I'm having a heck of a
> time with lighting.
>
> Presently, I am using ambient room light+blacklight above the
> terrarium. This results in reflections visible in the glass of the
> terrarium, meaning you can actually see the reflection of the camera
> tripod in the picture.

It looks like you're using light from a window, is that the case?

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In calgary.general Jon Pike > wrote:

> It looks like you're using light from a window, is that the case?

I am, normally - but as a result of advice given, I added an 18" floro this
morning.... You can see the "glare" effect it gives.

I'm going to see about getting a dimmer flouro.


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> In calgary.general Jon Pike > wrote:
>
>> It looks like you're using light from a window, is that the case?
>
> I am, normally - but as a result of advice given, I added an 18" floro
> this morning.... You can see the "glare" effect it gives.
>
> I'm going to see about getting a dimmer flouro.
>
>

Ahh. I see. but! You'll notice you don't have the reflections anymore, yes?
At least, I can't see them. The glare is happening because the light is in
the frame. If you can move the cam closer, raise it up and point it down,
or raise the light, that might do the trick for you.

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In calgary.general Jon Pike > wrote:

> Ahh. I see. but! You'll notice you don't have the reflections anymore, yes?
> At least, I can't see them. The glare is happening because the light is in
> the frame. If you can move the cam closer, raise it up and point it down,
> or raise the light, that might do the trick for you.

Definitely no reflections, so I know I'm on the right path. I think the
trick now is to mitigate the brightness, and experiment with camera
positioning as you suggested.

Will keep you posted.


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> In calgary.general Jon Pike > wrote:
>
>> Ahh. I see. but! You'll notice you don't have the reflections
>> anymore, yes? At least, I can't see them. The glare is happening
>> because the light is in the frame. If you can move the cam closer,
>> raise it up and point it down, or raise the light, that might do the
>> trick for you.
>
> Definitely no reflections, so I know I'm on the right path. I think
> the trick now is to mitigate the brightness, and experiment with
> camera positioning as you suggested.
>
> Will keep you posted.

If it's a flouro, you won't be able to regulate brightness afaik, so your
best bet is, like i said, get the light source out of the frame.


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[Basilic]

"Velvet" > wrote in message
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> wrote:
>
> > In calgary.general Velvet > wrote:
> >
> >
> >>be used at night. Lighting the inside of the tank rather than the
> >>outside is the way to get rid of the reflections though - that, or (if
> >
> >
> > This is the crux: When I do this, I tend to get "Flares" at the top of
my
> > frame, and glaring reflection off some leaves. How can I avoid this?
> >
> > Is internal light my solution, or is it a matter or orientation?
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
> I meant internal lighting, yes.
>
> Failing that, try aiming the light at an angle to the glass, then moving
> the camera around at an angle also. Try draping black cloth (velvet is
> very good for this) over the tripod legs so they're not reflective.
>
> Velvet

I agree, keep all angles away from 45 and 90 degrees. Don't face the camera
directly perpendicular to the glass front and don't have the light
reflecting at a 45 degree angle to the camera.

Even if you side light, you'll get flairing off the side glass. You may want
to try a white (not clear) plexiglass (or paper, not too close so it doesn't
burn) in front of the light source, this will soften the harsh clear light
and reduce reflection, kinda like an umbrella flash.

Basilic
>

[Basilic]

"BigC" > wrote in message
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> On Tue, 28 Oct 2003 23:12:53 GMT,
> wrote:
>
> >In calgary.general BigC > wrote:
> >
> >> heh, not much of a mantis cam without any mantids.
> >
> >I have two suppliers, both of which were sure a month ago that they
> >were getting them right away... Both figure it could be any time now.
> >
> >The suspense is frustrating!
> >
> >Nonetheless, the wait has been good, in that it's given me time to
fine-tune
> >the environment, and determine better ways to maintain the appropriate
> >heat/humidity.
>
> What do you feed those suckers? That sounds pretty cool actually. I
> have an empty tank but I don't feel like getting fish again.
>
> I used to have some Hermit Crabs and then a couple of Madagascar
> Hissing Coackroaches (just like on Fear Factor)
>
>

Reptiles are becoming common which means that they are becoming affordable.
Snakes, lizards and even giant spiders of interesting species can be found
in many pet shops or speciality shops. Easy to take care of, throw a few
crickets in. Although you may need another tank to house the crickets,
because the more you buy the cheaper they get. I used to buy a box of 1000
for approx $35, where 10 would cost me $3.50.

Basilic

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In calgary.general Basilic > wrote:

> Reptiles are becoming common which means that they are becoming affordable.

I noticed that bearded dragons are a dime a dozen in the bargain finder. I
asked a dragon master that I know, and he said that many people breed them
as an investment, but now there's a glut.

> Snakes, lizards and even giant spiders of interesting species can be found
> in many pet shops or speciality shops. Easy to take care of, throw a few
> crickets in. Although you may need another tank to house the crickets,
> because the more you buy the cheaper they get. I used to buy a box of 1000
> for approx $35, where 10 would cost me $3.50.

I was told not to keep more than a month's worth, as they start to chirp at
a certain point, which I'm told is quite obnoxious. (Although I think it
would sound quite pleasant, but we'll see).



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In calgary.general Basilic > wrote:

> I agree, keep all angles away from 45 and 90 degrees. Don't face the camera
> directly perpendicular to the glass front and don't have the light
> reflecting at a 45 degree angle to the camera.

> Even if you side light, you'll get flairing off the side glass. You may want
> to try a white (not clear) plexiglass (or paper, not too close so it doesn't
> burn) in front of the light source, this will soften the harsh clear light
> and reduce reflection, kinda like an umbrella flash.

I finally found the solution: I knew that some variation of "Shining down
on" would work, and I finally discovered it: Positioning the light just
above the camera, and pointing it into the tank but away at a 45 degree
angle. This gets me the best clarity, and the least glare, although I had
to do a bit of lamp surgery to get it to work.

I'm quite pleased with the outcome... Check it out and tell me what you think!





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> In calgary.general Basilic > wrote:
>
>> I agree, keep all angles away from 45 and 90 degrees. Don't face the
>> camera directly perpendicular to the glass front and don't have the
>> light reflecting at a 45 degree angle to the camera.
>
>> Even if you side light, you'll get flairing off the side glass. You
>> may want to try a white (not clear) plexiglass (or paper, not too
>> close so it doesn't burn) in front of the light source, this will
>> soften the harsh clear light and reduce reflection, kinda like an
>> umbrella flash.
>
> I finally found the solution: I knew that some variation of "Shining
> down on" would work, and I finally discovered it: Positioning the
> light just above the camera, and pointing it into the tank but away at
> a 45 degree angle. This gets me the best clarity, and the least
> glare, although I had to do a bit of lamp surgery to get it to work.
>
> I'm quite pleased with the outcome... Check it out and tell me what
> you think!

Told you it would work if you got the light out of the frame ;)
Where did you get the mini-easter island statue?



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>> Snakes, lizards and even giant spiders of interesting species can be
>> found in many pet shops or speciality shops. Easy to take care of,
>> throw a few crickets in. Although you may need another tank to house
>> the crickets, because the more you buy the cheaper they get. I used
>> to buy a box of 1000 for approx $35, where 10 would cost me $3.50.
>
> I was told not to keep more than a month's worth, as they start to
> chirp at a certain point, which I'm told is quite obnoxious.
> (Although I think it would sound quite pleasant, but we'll see).

Well, there's a few issues here. 1, don't feed any pet, especially herps,
exclusively one thing. Make damn sure you have a variety. Also, if you're
using crickets, be sure to look into "gut loading" and the little powder
stuff that you cover them in too.
As for keeping them in your house, -bad- idea. They -will- get out. No
matter what you do. Guarenteed. And they'll breed, in your house. And then
you'll have chirping crickets forever. You can never get rid of them all.
And no, the chirping is -not- pleasant. It's annoying as hell. And it's
pretty disgusting knowing that there's crickets infesting your house too.

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In calgary.general Jon Pike > wrote:
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>> In calgary.general Basilic > wrote:
>>
>>> I agree, keep all angles away from 45 and 90 degrees. Don't face the
>>> camera directly perpendicular to the glass front and don't have the
>>> light reflecting at a 45 degree angle to the camera.
>>
>>> Even if you side light, you'll get flairing off the side glass. You
>>> may want to try a white (not clear) plexiglass (or paper, not too
>>> close so it doesn't burn) in front of the light source, this will
>>> soften the harsh clear light and reduce reflection, kinda like an
>>> umbrella flash.
>>
>> I finally found the solution: I knew that some variation of "Shining
>> down on" would work, and I finally discovered it: Positioning the
>> light just above the camera, and pointing it into the tank but away at
>> a 45 degree angle. This gets me the best clarity, and the least
>> glare, although I had to do a bit of lamp surgery to get it to work.
>>
>> I'm quite pleased with the outcome... Check it out and tell me what
>> you think!

> Told you it would work if you got the light out of the frame ;)
> Where did you get the mini-easter island statue?



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In calgary.general Jon Pike > wrote:

> Well, there's a few issues here. 1, don't feed any pet, especially herps,
> exclusively one thing. Make damn sure you have a variety. Also, if you're
> using crickets, be sure to look into "gut loading" and the little powder
> stuff that you cover them in too.
> As for keeping them in your house, -bad- idea. They -will- get out. No
> matter what you do. Guarenteed. And they'll breed, in your house. And then
> you'll have chirping crickets forever. You can never get rid of them all.
> And no, the chirping is -not- pleasant. It's annoying as hell. And it's
> pretty disgusting knowing that there's crickets infesting your house too.

Aw **** man, now my GF's gonna read this and ride my ass about it. LOOK
WHAT YOU ****IN GONE DONE DID!

I don't have much choice but to keep the crickets in my apt. If they get
out, I'll just breed 200 mantids and let them loose. If that becomes a
problem, I'll borrow a cat from one of the many spinsters in the building.


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> Riverfront Aquariums, although I've seen them at almost any aquarium
> store. Me and the lil' lady are planning to go to EE for our
> honeymoon.

I'll have to look for 'em when I go down on friday. I've never noticed them
there, but I've never paid much attention to the hardware they sell.


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> In calgary.general Jon Pike > wrote:
>
>> Well, there's a few issues here. 1, don't feed any pet, especially
>> herps, exclusively one thing. Make damn sure you have a variety.
>> Also, if you're using crickets, be sure to look into "gut loading"
>> and the little powder stuff that you cover them in too.
>> As for keeping them in your house, -bad- idea. They -will- get out.
>> No matter what you do. Guarenteed. And they'll breed, in your house.
>> And then you'll have chirping crickets forever. You can never get rid
>> of them all. And no, the chirping is -not- pleasant. It's annoying as
>> hell. And it's pretty disgusting knowing that there's crickets
>> infesting your house too.
>
> Aw **** man, now my GF's gonna read this and ride my ass about it.
> LOOK WHAT YOU ****IN GONE DONE DID!
>
> I don't have much choice but to keep the crickets in my apt. If they
> get out, I'll just breed 200 mantids and let them loose. If that
> becomes a problem, I'll borrow a cat from one of the many spinsters in
> the building.

Just wait. You'll go to clean out under your fridge and get covered with
crickets. Oh, and btb, if you want to breed and sell mantids, then you need
special conatainers afaik.


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In calgary.general Jon Pike > wrote:

> I'll have to look for 'em when I go down on friday.

I'll be there on Friday as well... seems they've finally got a definitive
date for the Mantids.

I picked up my African-American Dwarf Frogs today. I've decided to call
them Emanuelle and Gary.


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> In calgary.general Jon Pike > wrote:
>
>> I'll have to look for 'em when I go down on friday.
>
> I'll be there on Friday as well... seems they've finally got a definitive
> date for the Mantids.
>
> I picked up my African-American Dwarf Frogs today. I've decided to call
> them Emanuelle and Gary.
>
>

Any idea how much they'll cost?

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In calgary.general Jon Pike > wrote:

> Any idea how much they'll cost?

I'm figuring about $50 each.

If enough people are interested, tho, I may buy an egg case, and sell as
many as I can for $20 each.

The downside is that lifespan is only one year.



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> In calgary.general Jon Pike > wrote:
>
>> Any idea how much they'll cost?
>
> I'm figuring about $50 each.
>
> If enough people are interested, tho, I may buy an egg case, and sell as
> many as I can for $20 each.
>
> The downside is that lifespan is only one year.

50$/bug from riverfront? That's pretty steep :/


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> In calgary.general Jon Pike > wrote:
>
> > Well, there's a few issues here. 1, don't feed any pet, especially
herps,
> > exclusively one thing. Make damn sure you have a variety. Also, if
you're
> > using crickets, be sure to look into "gut loading" and the little powder
> > stuff that you cover them in too.
> > As for keeping them in your house, -bad- idea. They -will- get out. No
> > matter what you do. Guarenteed. And they'll breed, in your house. And
then
> > you'll have chirping crickets forever. You can never get rid of them
all.
> > And no, the chirping is -not- pleasant. It's annoying as hell. And it's
> > pretty disgusting knowing that there's crickets infesting your house
too.
>
> Aw **** man, now my GF's gonna read this and ride my ass about it. LOOK
> WHAT YOU ****IN GONE DONE DID!
>
> I don't have much choice but to keep the crickets in my apt. If they get
> out, I'll just breed 200 mantids and let them loose. If that becomes a
> problem, I'll borrow a cat from one of the many spinsters in the building.
>

Don't worry, the only time I lost crickets was the first time I bought a
1000. Was inexperienced, but that didn't matter because my cat loves
crickets and has become an expert cricket hunter :-).

Now they package them in smaller boxes which you could fit into a small
aquarium, so I place the entire box, opened, into this aquarium, or shake
the entire contents into the aquarium (once I learnt how to handle the
suckers)....didn't loose one after that. Now I actually have to fish out a
couple to give my cat, for him it's like catnip.

Oh, the vitamin power is very good for the reptiles, but the same could be
achived with what you feed the crickets themselves, plenty of good sites out
there explaining a good cricket diet. Stay away from the water gel, it'll
save a few crickets, but not enough to justify the cost.

I love the sounds of crickets churping. Although not in the bedroom but I
could still faintly hear them, which is soothing especially in the winter. I
could close my eyes and pretend its summer with the windows open listening
to the suckers.

Basilic

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In calgary.general Basilic > wrote:

> there explaining a good cricket diet. Stay away from the water gel, it'll
> save a few crickets, but not enough to justify the cost.

I already bought a jar of "Orange Cube" by Flukers - Vitamin and water
fortified cubes of food for crickets... Supposed to be a replacement for
both the powder and the gel.

Thoughts on it?


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[George Kerby]

On 10/31/03 5:04 PM, in article PTBob.13956$EY3.593@edtnps84,
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> In calgary.general Basilic > wrote:
>
>> there explaining a good cricket diet. Stay away from the water gel, it'll
>> save a few crickets, but not enough to justify the cost.
>
> I already bought a jar of "Orange Cube" by Flukers - Vitamin and water
> fortified cubes of food for crickets... Supposed to be a replacement for
> both the powder and the gel.
>
> Thoughts on it?
>
So let me get this straight.

You buy expensive packaged foods to feed the critters that you feed to the
critters that you are keeping for no other purpose than to have others gawk
at? I mean what would you do if that tarantula got out and you couldn't find
it? Remember "Goldfinger"? Hee-hee!

Man! And people tell me I'm weird for feeding a little flake food to the
goldfish for my Lionfish...


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In calgary.general George Kerby > wrote:

>> I already bought a jar of "Orange Cube" by Flukers - Vitamin and water
>> fortified cubes of food for crickets... Supposed to be a replacement for
>> both the powder and the gel.
>>
>> Thoughts on it?
>>
> So let me get this straight.

> You buy expensive packaged foods to feed the critters that you feed to the
> critters that you are keeping for no other purpose than to have others gawk
> at? I mean what would you do if that tarantula got out and you couldn't find
> it? Remember "Goldfinger"? Hee-hee!

More or less right - Although the Orange Cube isn't very epensive... It's
cheaper that the other standard ways to fortify your crickets before feeding
them to your Lizard/Mantis/Children.

But yes, fundementally, you do have is straight.

(We won't mention the little fellah cost me $50).


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